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Pete Grugeon shared a link.
Britain’s Royal Family contributes a lot less to the UK economy than you think
Britain’s Royal Family is apparently worth £57 billion but delivers a lot less in net contribution.
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Dean Aggett http://royalcentral.co.uk/…/only-one-taxpayer-will-fund…
Only one taxpayer will fund the Buckingham Palace repairs; The Queen
ROYALCENTRAL.CO.UK
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Pete Grugeon That’s only relevant if you accept the queen’s ownership of the crown estate which is based on her god given right to own and rule the country. I see the crown estate as stolen property which should be returned to the people.
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Dean Aggett it has been handed down to her and she is expected to do whats required for her entire life not something we would enjoy, so she returns most of the money from it, more like an admin fee ? and Ill bet its not as wasteful as a council run service, so the nation benefits to a much larger extent than most people are lead to believe.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 5:32am
Pete Grugeon If you hand down stolen property to your kids, it is still stolen property.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 5:42am
Pete Wentland Handling stolen property is still a crime and the property still doesn’t belong to the recipient.
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 5:47am · Edited
Pete Wentland I think a lot of people would probably quite enjoy the life she leads over the drudgery they have to endure to survive, although many would probaby feel guilty about living in such extreme excess when so many go without their basic needs.
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Dean Aggett stolen property ? is all ownership theft or is it the fact that the crown property rights where given to this family when the government killed the king and did a deal for the power
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 5:49am
Dean Aggett Pete Wentland we all in this country, live the lives we do at the expense of many people around the world I dont see many giving up anything to even things out with those with less.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 5:52am
Pete Grugeon The ownership of the crown estate is based originally on the monarch’s “god given right” to own the country and all within it. Clearly this is bollocks. Then a deal was done with the non-royal members of the elite that they would support the monarch’s claim to be head of state and allow them to retain the crown estate in return for a reduction in the political power held by the monarch. The majority of the people have never had a say. Therefore the claim is completely illegitimate.
Like · Reply · 4 · Yesterday at 5:57am
Dean Aggett the same as the legal and government systems now in this country, the people never gave them the rights ever,
in the days of old the king was chosen by the people, this is where i think the ownership ideas started, but this modern collaboration of wealth and power has been assumed by the systems that keeps them in that position of control. with no system to change the way the system is run.
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 6:09am
Pete Grugeon Which is why we need to push for more democracy and equality of opportunity. Part of that is rejecting the claims of the elite to wealth and power resulting from their bloodline.
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 6:11am
Dean Aggett any system that has been proposed has a group at the top, these few are always more equal than the rest
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 6:23am
Pete Grugeon Some systems are more equal than others. If we just despair at the impossibility of the task and give up, clearly we’ll get nowhere. We’ve come a long way from absolute monarchy. Let’s keep going.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 6:28am
Gary Gevisser Dean Aggett you should explain to Pete Grugeon who gets most of it, why it is that you are so out of your league.
One other tangential point; it is the poorest of the poor who when given the information to level things out without being so foolish to resort to violence, end up supporting the status quo because they have too big an ego.
You know also from Einstein that people with little knowlege have big egos.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 2:05pm
Pete Wentland England is one of the richest but also one of the most unequal countries in the world and the gap between rich and poor is increasing all the time. For such a rich country, our poverty and child poverty statistics are absoutelly shocking and shameful. To have an elite living in such abject luxury while people rely on food banks not to starve and people who have worked hard all their lives die of hypothermia because they can’t afford to turn on the heating is just inexcusable. We live on a planet of finite resources so only by redistributing wealth can we tackle this crisis and hopefully leave this barbarically outdated birth lottery of inherited wealth or povery behind.
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 2:20pm · Edited
Ben Scarcliffe That means we are all guilty of stolen property…….
Chris Brewchorne The Queen pays tax. Large corporations with offshore tax avoidance schemes and many rich ex-pats and celebrities don’t.
Katleberry Finn lot of people pay tax. it doesn’t justify her net drain on on economy. she is the figurehead of the feudal system. we don’t need that parasitic shit anymore. she serves absolutely no purpose. she will not save us from fascism nor will our government.
Dean Aggett a large proportion of the uk population are a net drain on the economy almost 90 percent receive more in wages and credits from the state than they pay in tax, its how they control the population by keeping them reliant on the tax mans payouts.
Chris Brewchorne Katleberry Finn That level of general misinformation is barely worth responding to. The feudal system ended after serfdom declined in the early 14th Century following the black death and resulting labour shortages. Do you know what feudalism was? We are all now free citizens with no obligations to our Lord or the Crown. It doesn’t become you to use base abuse against a dedicated public servant and part of our living heritage. We need a head of State, that is her purpose. Where is this fascist threat of which you speak? And when we fought the fascist Nazi State, she chipped in and drove a truck, actually.
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Dean Aggett we all became citizens in 1983
Katleberry Finn erm, jo Cox ring any bells? how can you not acknowledge that fascism is on the rise?!! and capitalism is just modern day feudalism. I object to the existence of the state, not just the head of state. we wouldn’t be involved in any kind of financially dependent relationship with state or government if they weren’t part of a system leftover from feudal days that means that land ownership is mostly in the hands of a very few.
Dean Aggett state controlled capitalism is my bigest concern, and the way it redirects blame to any other group or individual inciting hate of everything except themselves
Katleberry Finn capitalism is not controlled by the state.
Katleberry Finn an Chris would you min explaining why it ‘does not become me’ to call the monarchy parasitic? am I precluded from having an opinion because I am female? I sincerely hope not and find that kind of outdated patronising language quite offensive.
Dean Aggett the state makes all the rules that govern the way corporations can function and gives the tax breaks to those it wishes to succeed, it set wages, conditions for employment, grants contracts, and employs more people than any other, that is why I believe the state is at the head,
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Chris Brewchorne Katleberry Finn Calling people a ‘shit’ is hardly raising the intellectual bar. You are coming out with lots of vitriol but not a lot of actual fact or balance. One right wing saddo nutter white supremacist doesn’t mean there’s going to be a mainstream fascist movement in Britain- extremist hate groups are banned and on the margins of society. There is always a rise of radicalism when a state lets down the populous, as happened in 2008, when the cost of the banking collapse fell on the shoulders of the public. Its a predictable cycle. The only current fascist states I can think of are North Korea and Zimbabwe, maybe with Syria, Russia and good old Berdimuhamedow in Turkmenistan. Erdogan is heading that way too. The Donald has promising potential. Most fascist dictatorial states evolve from socialist movements with personality cults, which like you see capitalism as the enemy. Stalin was a far worse mass murderer than Hitler, and he was supposedly a communist.
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Gary Gevisser Dean Aggett Dean, don’t you think you should share with everyone here what you learned from me that would make this conversation so much more interesting than simply you only hearing what you have to say.
Dean Aggett you have the floor, but I think one small step is all people are open to hearing,
Gary Gevisser You have heard the words, “People with little intelligence have great difficulty feeling stupid”.
It would be wrong to assume people are stupid if they are not first given the information.
All this talk about “divine authority” and who has and who hasnt “control” is explained in a book that I did not write but I was already at the highest levels of De Beers-Anglo American-Barclays Bank.
That most interesting non-fiction book is the very easy first step you should be telling everyone to take including your significant other Kerry Anderson Molfesis who wants to be friendly with all the wrong people, all in accordance with the proven principle, “Weak energy attracts weak”.
You find yourself very quickly in American author-investigative reporter Edward Jay Epstein’s The Diamond Invention book.
As I have told you repeatedly, start at any chapter, but not chapter 16, WARRING WITH ISRAEL
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap16.htm
In a matter of seconds you are going to see the men separating from the boys.
Anyone who continues this discussion thread by ignoring how the resources of the planet are allocated and it has nothing to do with taxes, deficit spending or politicians giving very carefully scripted distraction speeches, they do so at their peril.
They will be telling the rest of you everything about them that you were unsure about.
On the other hand, anyone who would like to debate with me the gun-money-power of the global banker De Beers-Barclays, this would be a great time, but first you must read the book and constantly asking yourself why it was me and not any of you or those you all consider so smart on money matters who got hired by the global banker who simply back all sides to war, when they cannot lose because they have made certain to wipe out all their opposition.
You live with fear, you die with fear and the skittish should simply envision themselves returning at skittles.
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Gary Gevisser When you lose the game of life, you don’t need to ask yourself why it is that you look so miserable.
What goes around, comes around with a vengeance!
The Meek With Teeth Shall Inherit The Earth.
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Chris Brewchorne Misinformation Pete Grugeon. The Crown Estate was formally signed over by George III to the control of Parliament in 1760, with all revenue going to the public purse, in return for the Civil List annual fee to fund Royal functions. Its technically owned by the public, not the Queen; she cant sell it and doesn’t get the direct income from it.
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Chris Brewchorne replied · 14 Replies · 9 hrs
Pete Grugeon The situation you describe is exactly as I described it.
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Denise Lewis It would be interesting to see figures/accounts…and why did George decide to hand over the crown estate, and how did he get it in the first place? And lastly but not least why isn’t the govt privatizing the crown estate as they have with everything else…
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Chris Brewchorne Its effectively leased to the government by the Crown. George didn’t really have much influence over it (he was very ill). It was public pressure that if the King couldnt run his own affairs, it should be done by Parliament on his behalf. Otherwise he might have sold it all for a very large turnip.
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 6:55am
Pete Grugeon For “public pressure” read “a decision of the non-royal elite”.
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Denise Lewis Cheers…will read up more when I’m less woolly headed!
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My public writings to Dean are not meant to console you for the role you have played in my mother Zena continuing to be held captive, as much as her demise makes you feel relevant.
I won’t ask you what you thought of my last broadcast SIBLING PART but what did you think of the photo at the bottom of my WWE sister Kathy?
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