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From: Gary S Gevisser <>
Date: March 10, 2012 5:07:56 PM PST
To: Johann DeJager – South African Reserve Bank <>
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Subject: Strange reflection – Fwd: Are you the son of the amazing Charlie Winters who received a Presidential Pardon?


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From: Gary S Gevisser <>
Date: March 10, 2012 4:55:00 PM PST
To: Edward Jay Epstein – Author of The Diamond Invention <>, Chairman’s Office – De Beers Julie Burgon – Assistant to Jonathan Oppenheimer <>, Beverly Stacey – Lloyds of London Insurance <>, Jeffrey Krinsk <>, “Patrick. J. Fitzgerald – US Attorney – prosecuted successfully Presidential Pardoned Marc Rich’s attorney Scooter Libby.” <>, “Texas American Civil Liberties Union [ACLU]” <>, Texas 5th Court of Appeals <>, Texas Judge Martin Lowy <>, “Alan Loewinsohn Esq. – Dallas, Texas based attorney for CIA Charles Knuff” <>, “Paul S. Chan – ex CIA Charles Knuff Century City lawyer” <>, “David Langford – Texas Court Reporter – 101st District Court.” <>
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Subject: Strange reflection – Fwd: Are you the son of the amazing Charlie Winters who received a Presidential Pardon?
Just in case you didn’t already get a copy of my communique, “Strange reflection”.

I just received word that the Texas 5th Court of Appeals turned down my appeal.

How is it possible to think that with lower court judge Martin Lowy being so brazenly corrupt that the Appeals Court Judges who share the exact same building complex wouldn’t also be bought?

May I suggest that before you suggest I find an honest lawyer anywhere in the world, to contact every “lawyer-politiican” (sic) you know, and have them read the very short transcripts of my hearings/trial and to let them know that if they delay speaking out, it does not mean the truth won’t get out.

Why not?

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From: Gary S Gevisser <>
Date: March 10, 2012 3:14:11 PM PST
To:, Leith Eaton <>
Cc: rest; Mike Flint <>, jim winters <>, Marie Dion Gevisser <>, Barbara Fix <>, Udi Zorani <>, Jerry Meadors <>, Wilfred Weide <>, Rod Margo <>, Matthew Margo <>, “President Shimon Peres c/o Office for the Israeli Deparment of Defense Attache; Israeli Embassy Washington DC Israeli Embassy” <>, “Adele Strous “Im not interested in history of Israel” Clingman – wife of CIA oil trader Alan Clingman and business partner of Roy Essakow-Marc Rich and company.” <>, Roy Essakow – Marc Rich Lieutenant <>, “The coupon clipper is the Jeffrey Jack The Ripper Essakow – co-owner of the Marc Rich and Co. Flower Hill Mall Solana Beach California” <>, “Patrick. J. Fitzgerald – US Attorney – prosecuted successfully Presidential Pardoned Marc Rich’s attorney Scooter Libby.” <>, “Patrick K. Tillman Sr. Esq. – father of American Football athlete Pat Tillman who was killed by “friendly fire” in Afghanistan.” <>, Ron Bellows – US Government owned American International Group – Chief Executive Officer President Barrak Obama – Nobel Peace Prize winner on 10/9/2009 <>, “Rabbi Capers C. Funnye – close cousin of First Lady Michelle Obama who is married to President OBAMA ” <>, Jay McMichael – CNN Photojournalist <>

Subject: Strange reflection – Fwd: Are you the son of the amazing Charlie Winters who received a Presidential Pardon?

I don’t think Jim Winters would have a problem with me sharing our communications, because few would argue how important the passing of time is at these times when with just the push of one button by sufficient numbers of us on our keyboards could end in the next instant all the world’s suffering, which would not only be proof of a miracle, and we really only need one miracle to prove the existence of G-d that one moment has each of us very emotional about very important stuff and the next totally indifferent to the truth about how quickly the suffering can end, given how we all know logically that no one or organization other than all 7 billion of us agreeing, can own water, that without none of us humans can survive, and yet one organization has in fact owned water and all the stuff that goes with it, ever since its founder Cecil Rhodes put water pumps to work in the diamond mines of Kimberly, South Africa and then set about placing a price on everything else including the life of a human; and then his successors, the Oppenheimers decided to have Edward Jay Epstein write The Diamond Invention book, all designed to have the reader feeling that the Oppenheimers own everyone and everything.

Side note to Nancy: Please tell me when you have decided to throw in the trash David Icke’s 533 page book, The Biggest Secret.

The fact that I am not a Professor of world history does not mean, I am not an authority on the 4 subjects, History, Economics, Military & Politics [HEMP] or the fact that Ben-Gurion hadn’t thought I would make a very good spy chief, well ahead of Boris Senior telling me soon after we met in the fall of 1972 at a busy coffee bar in the Dizzengoff Circle, Tel-Aviv, that he wouldnt be surprised if one day I headed up the Mossad whose permanent staff know they are being watched each time they enter and exit Mossad headquarters in Tel-Aviv, and why the Mossad do not keep it a secret that they place a lot of trust in their Mossad’s Metsada Special Forces Division that includes the Kidon assassination unit.

Equally important is that by now if you haven’t discussed with Mike who you both recall last night saying time and again, “Gary, this is about you, not about my project”, then the 3 of you should discuss that first letter of mine to the editor of the Jerusalem Post that was published on Feb. 1, 2001 whose first sentence should have each of you and everyone you know going totally quiet, and knowing how very important it was that 8 months prior to 9/11 I, who is still not a household name, could draw the connecting dots between a CIA oil trader, who was a traitor of Israel following the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and further acts of terrorism.

Even if none of you putting all your heads together, and of course email Ickes and the whole pathetic US Congress for their input, cannot still figure it all out, then you would understand that at least one person at the Jerusalem Post perfectly understood and decided to publish it because they understood who profits the most when stealing resources of war that belong to the first of the resistors, who are the first to be killed prior to instituting things like the “rule of law” and nice sounding “democracy” like words.

You would also understand that I understood that first letter as well as the 3 follow up letters, with the 4th published on May 1, 2001, a good 3 months before the Mossad gave both the FBI and CIA that CLEAR, ONE SENTENCE “heads up” one month prior to 9/11. You would also know that my letters were not in the least bit complementary of Israel Prime Minister Ehud Barak who weighed in heavily in support of the treacherous Presidential Pardon.

Do you think that when I understand something of critical importance that I need confirmation by anyone who is corrupt? [CLICK HERE].

Furthermore, you would know that there are a great many people who are aware of all these very important facts which would have had everyone in the Polo Lounge last night very quiet if all they had to read was this communication whose importance cannot be hurt by me mentioning how Israeli Military Intelligence-Mossad at the Office for the Israel Department of Defense attache at the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC went about on November 23, 2007 confirming receipt from me of their rather ingenious Military Report which had been shared with me in the summer of 2007 by a top-notch Israeli Special Forces Flotilla 13 commando that cast a very dark shadow on US intelligence who had managed to convince Al Quaida not to attack either the hugely vulnerable oil supertankers, while blowing a big hole in the USS Cole, or any of the oil fields of the Middle East. [CLICK HERE].

Even if it is not on the tip of your tongues you would remember that the USS Cole was attacked on October 10, 2000, just 11 months prior to 9/11, and still not a single much more highly vulnerable oil supertanker, and they number approximately 280, has even been hit.

Now you would think that if the Mossad-IMI were able to think of such an ingenious military report, then why do you think not a single politician-banker or member of the media on the left, right or center couldn’t at least republish it?

Have you counted the days that the world has been so quiet about my $4 million DEATH SENTENCE and how easy it is for all the hypocrites to just continue with their lives?

What if I am right that there is a most just G-d who doesn’t need to take counsel with the minds of the corrupt to play total havoc with them even when not looking in the mirror and seeing strange reflection.

President Clinton had a month to go before George W. Bush would become President elect, first week of November 2000, right?

Now compare President George W. Bush’s Presidential Pardon on November 23, 2008 of the insanely courageous, most conscience filled Christian American Charles Winters who couldn’t find the bail money despite 5 million Jewish Americans being saved from the extermination camps less than a handful of years earlier, with Clinton, who was a Rhodes-De Beers Scholar, granting the treasonous Jewish American Marc Rich who also gave up his American citizenship while on the run, a pardon at the 11th hour of Clinton’s last day in office, January 20, 2001, which was one year to the day before Clinton gave a speech at Caltech University where he ended so bizarrely suggesting that the United States was ripe for a Bosnian style ethnic cleansing civil war. (Should you not wish to do the research yourself about Clinton’s most famous speech, just email CNN photojournalist Jay McMichael who was there –

You also know that when things look very grim, which they are when you are printing money out of thin air and forcing it on your slave trading nations, to find yourself, because no one taught you how to read a balance sheet, with a $400 billion surplus, which meant that your slave nations were not as fearful of Uncle Sam as our monopolists, headed by the Oppenheimers would have liked, to then ferment that much more civil war in the rest of the world by priming the pump with their unlimited supply of untraceable diamonds including the ones that were given to Hitler which he did not use to fashion precision tooling to manufacture in mass quantities weapons of genocide. (Do you think Obama has read The Diamond Invention book, and if you are not sure, would you know of someone who could get him to comment on the significance of Ch. 9. – DIAMONDS FOR HITLER?)

Consequently, Clinton should know at least what you all now know about the Oppenheimers-De Beers Diamond Invention that shows no signs of letting up, apart from as I have already spelled out, the Oppenheimers decided last November, just 9 months after my unprecedented wrongful conviction to begin hiding from the general public, as they sold their remaining 40% interest in De Beers to themselves, Anglo American Corporation, all of which makes everyone dependent upon Wall Street for their lifestyle feel like crawling back into their shell; and the moment you start hiding in this so leveling light speed Internet age, there is no turning back, and people you depend upon for your survival have little difficulty drawing their own conclusions.

I have yet to ask a hypocrite if they think their favorite pet can read their mind, and when the animal goes quiet whether they rage inside?

I only know that I am not a snail because I am smart enough to think that if you eat something that moves slowly you become what you eat; and nor do I think it a good use of my time to think about all the nastier things a snail needs to eat in order to survive a rather harrowing life; instead I live that much more in the moment and knowing that my very good memory will always serve me well, so long as there is an audience interested in hearing the truth.

It is most telling the fact that the Oppenheimers have managed to suppress the press throughout the world reporting on the fact that their Lloyds of London Insurance which accept diamonds as a currency so long as its value is certified by De-Beers or one of their affiliates like the non-profit Gemological Institute of America, have banned American citizens from investing in Lloyds for more than 2 decades, while Lloyds has been allowed to continue selling their insurance to American citizens and American corporations.

That should have you going quieter than you ever thought possible.

But you know that a great many people who have had this information continue to talk and act like it is no big deal.

Lloyds do much more than lead the way in insuring the world’s ships; they set the price of all commerce throughout the world just like the Oppenheimers  control the trading of currencies that the masses still see as a “fair market” even though we all know that the Oppenheimers have never once provided an inventory of their diamond holdings because that would mean in the next instant they would have to show the trillions of US $s in their vaults not converted into unlimited supplies of other unlimited amounts of abstract art that have no gauge other than the person with the money assigning a value, which is the biggest weapon they hang over the US Congress and the other 2 Branches.

That should make you even quieter.

It is no small fact that the  Securities Exchange Commission who rule over Wall Street have been intimately involved in this decision by Lloyds to trash American citizens as this UK based organization are saying on the one hand that ALL Americans are bad because they support an unjust judicial system that allows Americans who have profited from the monopolistic practices of Lloyds-De Beers to sue when Lloyds-De Beers change the rules a little while mostly letting those insurance syndicates that Americans had invested in go belly up, and then they have the SEC speaking for them by saying, when allowing Lloyds to sell into the American market, that Lloyds is a good risk, but Americans are a bad risk.

If you are American and corrupt you must feel that your whole world has just come to an end.

The Oppenheimers-Lloyds-De Beers and company have turned Americans on Americans.

Now examine with a critical eye this September 2006 photo of very defensive and skeptical looking Putin bowing in Johannesburg, South Africa to Nicholas Oppenheimer

who was, as you may already know, born on the same day my 50 year old paternal grandmother, Katie Sher Gevisser passed away, June 8, 1945.

Look at the time on your computer clock; mine says 3:12 pm and you will know that when I sent out this very important communique I was still alive and dependent upon each of you to get the information out, even if you decide to be passive.

I know to live life to the fullest which means one has to do it without fear which comes of course from always having Truth-Logic-G-d at my side.

Suffice to also say I have now taken a closer look at Nancy’s interesting background which is not altogether dissimilar to mine, at least the fashion side. 

Below is an article about my stepfather, Alan “Mr. South African Clothing” Zulman and my mom:

Ps – Please pass this on to Nancy who has yet to acknowledge receipt of my previous writings which I will soon post up on my website.

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Begin forwarded message:

From: jim winters <>
Date: March 10, 2012 12:29:17 PM PST
To: Gary S Gevisser <>
Subject: Re: Are you the son of the amazing Charlie Winters who received a Presidential Pardon?

wow…this will take me a little time to digest…

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

It seems that he was in jail and having great difficulty coming up with bail money. (The silence of my Jewish American brothers and sisters cannot be “understated” (sic).)

Let me now tell you a little more about myself. My email address that we are using is not my regular one, which is

The name “Issy” is my paternal grandfather’s first name although his birth Christian name was Israel; and “Nathan” is my father’s middle name. My name is Gary Gevisser. Israel Issy Gevisser’s “claim to fame” began making the poorest of the poor black South African street hawkers their morning breakfast, and then 26 years later, 1929, he purchased for cash what few would argue was the most priceless beach properties in all of Israel located in Haifa harbor when he also visited his mother and sister Pessiah in his birth town of Vilnius, Lithuania, and those properties were placed in Pessiah’s name. 

After Pessiah and all her 4 children and their children were murdered by the Nazis and their Lithuanian collaborators, my grandfather hired an Israeli lawyer to transfer those properties back to him, and the official record is that the lawyer stole the properties and ended up in jail; but of course, that is not the whole story, not even close.

The hyperlinks below take you to a 2 page letter beginning to detai the family’s murder.

Clicking the hyperlink below

takes you to 1 of 14 addenda that I attached to my very first broadcast on December 1, 2000, which was the 27th anniversary of Ben-Gurion’s passing and 9 months and 11 days exactly prior to 9/11. (There were of course many other coincidences about that writing which followed my first writing titled, ONE PERSPECTIVE, that I sent to my dad on his 77th birthday back on October 18, 2000.

One Perspective:

In June of 1948 after your father had flown the one B-17 to Czechoslovakia and then arrested while that aircraft, on its way to Israel, made a most hugely important bombing run over Cairo, Egypt which shook up the entire world’s military establishment, Israel, which was only into its first month of its first war of survival that has never ended, was in the throes of a civil war which Ben-Gurion and his Hagannah-Mossad forces who had recruited your dad, nipped very violently in the bud; known as the Altalena Affair, which my friend Boris Senior was most actively involved in, as he flew his fighter-bomber strapped with a big bomb to its underbelly which Ben-Gurion had instructed him to drop on the Altalena in Tel-Aviv harbor were Yitzchak Rabin and his ground forces on the beach unsuccessful in sinking this ship carrying weapon systems and munitions from the US for Menechem Begin’s Irgun forces.

As far as Boris Senior was concerned, at the time, he was a “secret” member of the Irgun and was most uncomfortable about the prospects of dropping the bomb and killing his fellow commanders including Begin who was on board, and would have been killed by Rabin’s forces had Begin’s officers not thrown him overboard as the Altalena began to sink and most of the weapons and munitions lost.

Boris maintains in his 2004 autobiography, NEW HEAVENS that was only published in English after his death in April 2004, that the entire Altalena episode was a mistake because of misunderstandings between Begin and Ben-Gurion; but he is not right.

The chronology of events is always very important and no less so in wartime.

One week prior to the sinking of the Altalena that brought about death of the very best on both sides, United States Army Colonel, David “Mickey” Marcus, the first General in the Israel Defense Force, was killed by “friendly fire” which immediately resulted in Ben-Gurion opening an investigation to see if his death had been deliberate by the other Jewish military forces that opposed the far better organized Hagannah.

Ben-Gurion also knew that such an investigation would take time and consume valuable resources beginning with the thinking of his best people who also couldn’t bring back Marcus from the dead.

Few people outside of those who plan war at the highest levels have any idea of the spying that goes on at every level and the need to address such critically important matters every step of the way.

I would not have made a good spy because it was obvious to both Ben-Gurion, Senior and others part of Ben-Gurion’s most accomplished spy-network which extended all the way to South Africa where his trusted partner Jan Smuts was the ingenious spy of spies, that I would not have made a good liar, and therefore there were better things I could do with my life than have to be constantly looking over my shoulders, which is what spies have to do 24/7 even when they are put out to pasture.

The only spies that Ben-Gurion fully trusted were those his most inner circle put to work, and then they simply watched ever so carefully the actions of the family members which often times involved having to do no more than have a low wage earner maid serving tea and crumpets to one of the wives having their regular afternoon teas with their friends, observe; and of course you would understand that unaccomplished artists talk much more gossip amongst their equally bzy friends.

My website spells out everything that is currently going on in the world that is of importance to everyone including the corrupt.

In January of last year I received the most diabolical $4 million DEATH SENTENCE from a corrupt Texas Court Judge in cahoots with a rouge member of the CIA which most of all highlights what I have been saying about my former employer, the Oppenheimers, who own the De Beers-Anglo American Cartel which most profited from not only WW II but each and every one of Israel’s wars of survival which have been essential to distract from the main event, which is the ongoing rape of mineral rich countries; and with civil unrest constantly making news headlines, there is less space for corrupted editors to talk about how effective war is in also covering up the tracks of the corrupt.

I must now continue my work.

Ps – Last evening I had an interesting phone conversation with this lady Nancy Bretzfield – see LA Times article below:

On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:20 AM, jim winters wrote:

i just checked amongst the mass of paperwork i have accrued…i dont have the minutes of the courtroom trial, i have all the documents pertaining to the trial…the last entry is nov 17, 48 requesting a reduction in bail…i cant find anything about sentencing etc…i’ll keep looking though

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

there are tears in my eyes, as I read your response back to my French-Canadian wife.

Please get back to me ASAP on the details of his inexcusable trial. I would like the date it started and ended; and I would assume his prison sentence began right after, although he might have been in prison from prior to the trial.

On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:51 AM, jim winters wrote:

he was old school-ish…being 51 when he had me, we were worlds apart…plus he was very “work ethic” oriented, as he wasnt a college guy…all in all he was very cool…used to take me out every sunday and do something “neat”…i got to say goodbye to him before he died…he was in a coma like state for a while after having a couple strokes…somehow he knew i was coming and waited for me….it was about 7pm….i sat in his room speaking to his unresponsive body, when all of a sudden he coughed a little and woke up…the nurse gave him some water and left…he reached his strong hand out to me and shook my hand, said “keep the faith” and saluted me (he loved the fact that i was in the marine corps)…then he closed his eyes and passed…(i’m balling right now writing this…)…it was probably the most amazing, appreciative moment of my life…i thank God for that moment daily….

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

im in del mar california. I am also trying to assist the group who are trying to make the documentary ANGELS IN THE SKY and I would like to see your dad’s story told from start to finish. It is more important in my opinion than anything else.

What was he like as a father?

On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:36 AM, jim winters wrote:

i actually have the transcripts! but havent read them…i’ll take a peak…unless your local, and you can take a peak

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

It would mean that the US Government didn’t want to waste any time in sending a message to not only Americans to help the fledgling State of Israel, and I consider that very important.

Would you know of anyone who might be able to shed more light on his trial?

On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, jim winters wrote:

as far as i know yes…but it was way before i was born so ?…whats the interest in the date?

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

I have been all over the internet, and all I could find was that he was released in November 1949 which would mean that if he served the 18 months, it would have begun somewhere around June 1948?

Do you know if he served the entire 18 months?

On Mar 10, 2012, at 8:30 AM, jim winters wrote:

did you check out the charles winters blogspot?

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, jim winters <> wrote:

hmmm…no, not exactly 1950 or so? nice to hear from you btw

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote:

A bit of my background. My dad was an Allied Fighter Bomber Pilot during WW II and flew most of his 71 missions alongside Syd Cohen who would become commander of the Israel Air Force’s only fighter squadron.

Do you know when you dad began serving his 18 month prison sentence?

On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Jim Winters wrote:


Sent from the Bullphone

On Mar 9, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Gary S Gevisser <> wrote: Are you the son of the amazing Charlie Winters who received a Presidential Pardon?

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